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Zippe83
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8. syyskuuta 2008 @ 22:05 |
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SDFix: Version 1.218
Run by P??k?ytt?j? on ma 08.09.2008 at 21:55
Microsoft Windows XP [versio 5.1.2600]
Running From: E:\Documents and Settings\P??k?ytt?j?\Ty?p?yt?\SDFix\SDFix
Checking Services :
Restoring Default Security Values
Restoring Default Hosts File
Rebooting
Checking Files :
No Trojan Files Found
Removing Temp Files
ADS Check :
Final Check :
catchme 0.3.1361.2 W2K/XP/Vista - rootkit/stealth malware detector by Gmer, http://www.gmer.net
Rootkit scan 2008-09-08 21:59:35
Windows 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3 NTFS
scanning hidden processes ...
scanning hidden services & system hive ...
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\sptd\Cfg]
"s1"=dword:2df9c43f
"s2"=dword:110480d0
"h0"=dword:00000001
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\sptd\Cfg\19659239224E364682FA4BAF72C53EA4]
"p0"="E:\Program Files\DAEMON Tools Lite\"
"h0"=dword:00000000
"khjeh"=hex:cb,1d,80,52,64,3f,64,61,4c,03,4f,8f,32,0b,ce,6a,75,27,33,23,7f,..
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\sptd\Cfg\19659239224E364682FA4BAF72C53EA4\00000001]
"a0"=hex:20,01,00,00,9b,2d,eb,fe,91,02,86,7d,df,1d,01,6f,7d,fe,52,b8,8d,..
"khjeh"=hex:3d,14,e2,31,b8,da,11,b6,a7,b9,8f,38,ba,e5,c4,c6,c7,cf,05,e8,49,..
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\sptd\Cfg\19659239224E364682FA4BAF72C53EA4\00000001\0Jf40]
"khjeh"=hex:74,f9,1a,3e,ad,f8,8b,79,7e,d7,93,36,3e,fa,ab,b5,df,05,a0,d9,08,..
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet004\Services\sptd\Cfg\19659239224E364682FA4BAF72C53EA4]
"p0"="E:\Program Files\DAEMON Tools Lite\"
"h0"=dword:00000000
"khjeh"=hex:cb,1d,80,52,64,3f,64,61,4c,03,4f,8f,32,0b,ce,6a,75,27,33,23,7f,..
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet004\Services\sptd\Cfg\19659239224E364682FA4BAF72C53EA4\00000001]
"a0"=hex:20,01,00,00,9b,2d,eb,fe,91,02,86,7d,df,1d,01,6f,7d,fe,52,b8,8d,..
"khjeh"=hex:3d,14,e2,31,b8,da,11,b6,a7,b9,8f,38,ba,e5,c4,c6,c7,cf,05,e8,49,..
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet004\Services\sptd\Cfg\19659239224E364682FA4BAF72C53EA4\00000001\0Jf40]
"khjeh"=hex:6a,de,b1,eb,d9,ec,b3,aa,1e,b4,5e,63,ac,d0,15,45,e7,7c,6c,7d,af,..
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet005\Services\sptd\Cfg\19659239224E364682FA4BAF72C53EA4]
"p0"="E:\Program Files\DAEMON Tools Lite\"
"h0"=dword:00000000
"khjeh"=hex:cb,1d,80,52,64,3f,64,61,4c,03,4f,8f,32,0b,ce,6a,75,27,33,23,7f,..
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet005\Services\sptd\Cfg\19659239224E364682FA4BAF72C53EA4\00000001]
"a0"=hex:20,01,00,00,9b,2d,eb,fe,91,02,86,7d,df,1d,01,6f,7d,fe,52,b8,8d,..
"khjeh"=hex:3d,14,e2,31,b8,da,11,b6,a7,b9,8f,38,ba,e5,c4,c6,c7,cf,05,e8,49,..
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet005\Services\sptd\Cfg\19659239224E364682FA4BAF72C53EA4\00000001\0Jf40]
"khjeh"=hex:74,f9,1a,3e,ad,f8,8b,79,7e,d7,93,36,3e,fa,ab,b5,df,05,a0,d9,08,..
scanning hidden registry entries ...
scanning hidden files ...
scan completed successfully
hidden processes: 0
hidden services: 0
hidden files: 0
Remaining Services :
Authorized Application Key Export:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\system\currentcontrolset\services\sharedaccess\parameters\firewallpolicy\standardprofile\authorizedapplications\list]
"%windir%\\system32\\sessmgr.exe"="%windir%\\system32\\sessmgr.exe:*:enabled:@xpsp2res.dll,-22019"
"E:\\Program Files\\Azureus\\Azureus.exe"="E:\\Program Files\\Azureus\\Azureus.exe:*:Enabled:Azureus"
"E:\\Program Files\\TVUPlayer\\TVUPlayer.exe"="E:\\Program Files\\TVUPlayer\\TVUPlayer.exe:*:Enabled:TVUPlayer Component"
"E:\\Program Files\\SightSpeed\\SightSpeed.exe"="E:\\Program Files\\SightSpeed\\SightSpeed.exe:*:Enabled:SightSpeed"
"%windir%\\Network Diagnostic\\xpnetdiag.exe"="%windir%\\Network Diagnostic\\xpnetdiag.exe:*:Enabled:@xpsp3res.dll,-20000"
"E:\\Program Files\\Windows Live\\Messenger\\msnmsgr.exe"="E:\\Program Files\\Windows Live\\Messenger\\msnmsgr.exe:*:Enabled:Windows Live Messenger"
"E:\\Program Files\\Windows Live\\Messenger\\livecall.exe"="E:\\Program Files\\Windows Live\\Messenger\\livecall.exe:*:Enabled:Windows Live Messenger (Phone)"
"E:\\Program Files\\Codemasters\\GRID\\GRID.exe"="E:\\Program Files\\Codemasters\\GRID\\GRID.exe:*:Enabled:GRID"
"E:\\Program Files\\Mozilla Firefox\\firefox.exe"="E:\\Program Files\\Mozilla Firefox\\firefox.exe:*:Enabled:Firefox"
"E:\\Program Files\\Winamp Remote\\bin\\Orb.exe"="E:\\Program Files\\Winamp Remote\\bin\\Orb.exe:*:Enabled:Orb"
"E:\\Program Files\\Winamp Remote\\bin\\OrbTray.exe"="E:\\Program Files\\Winamp Remote\\bin\\OrbTray.exe:*:Enabled:OrbTray"
"E:\\Program Files\\Winamp Remote\\bin\\OrbStreamerClient.exe"="E:\\Program Files\\Winamp Remote\\bin\\OrbStreamerClient.exe:*:Enabled:Orb Stream Client"
"E:\\Program Files\\Skype\\Phone\\Skype.exe"="E:\\Program Files\\Skype\\Phone\\Skype.exe:*:Enabled:Skype"
"E:\\Program Files\\xerox\\nwwia\\XrxFTPLt.exe"="E:\\Program Files\\xerox\\nwwia\\XrxFTPLt.exe:*:Disabled:XrxFTPLt"
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\system\currentcontrolset\services\sharedaccess\parameters\firewallpolicy\domainprofile\authorizedapplications\list]
"%windir%\\system32\\sessmgr.exe"="%windir%\\system32\\sessmgr.exe:*:enabled:@xpsp2res.dll,-22019"
"%windir%\\Network Diagnostic\\xpnetdiag.exe"="%windir%\\Network Diagnostic\\xpnetdiag.exe:*:Enabled:@xpsp3res.dll,-20000"
"E:\\Program Files\\Windows Live\\Messenger\\msnmsgr.exe"="E:\\Program Files\\Windows Live\\Messenger\\msnmsgr.exe:*:Enabled:Windows Live Messenger"
"E:\\Program Files\\Windows Live\\Messenger\\livecall.exe"="E:\\Program Files\\Windows Live\\Messenger\\livecall.exe:*:Enabled:Windows Live Messenger (Phone)"
Remaining Files :
Files with Hidden Attributes :
Sun 13 Jul 2008 4,348 A.SH. --- "E:\Documents and Settings\All Users\DRM\DRMv1.bak"
Tue 15 Nov 2005 78,104 ..SHR --- "E:\Program Files\Autodesk\Autodesk DWF Viewer\Setup.exe"
Tue 15 Nov 2005 12,912 A.SHR --- "E:\Program Files\Autodesk\Autodesk DWF Viewer\_Setupx.dll"
Thu 12 Jun 2008 0 A.SH. --- "E:\Documents and Settings\All Users\DRM\Cache\Indiv01.tmp"
Finished!
Logfile of HijackThis v1.99.1
Scan saved at 21:46:24, on 8.9.2008
Platform: Windows XP SP3 (WinNT 5.01.2600)
MSIE: Internet Explorer v7.00 (7.00.6000.16705)
Running processes:
E:\WINDOWS\System32\smss.exe
E:\WINDOWS\system32\winlogon.exe
E:\WINDOWS\system32\services.exe
E:\WINDOWS\system32\lsass.exe
E:\WINDOWS\system32\svchost.exe
E:\Program Files\Windows Defender\MsMpEng.exe
E:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
E:\Program Files\Alwil Software\Avast4\aswUpdSv.exe
E:\Program Files\Alwil Software\Avast4\ashServ.exe
E:\WINDOWS\system32\spoolsv.exe
E:\WINDOWS\system32\CTsvcCDA.exe
E:\Program Files\Common Files\LightScribe\LSSrvc.exe
E:\WINDOWS\system32\nvsvc32.exe
E:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
E:\Program Files\Alwil Software\Avast4\ashMaiSv.exe
E:\Program Files\Alwil Software\Avast4\ashWebSv.exe
E:\WINDOWS\Explorer.EXE
E:\Program Files\VDOTool\TBPanel.exe
E:\WINDOWS\RTHDCPL.EXE
E:\Program Files\Creative\SBAudigy\Surround Mixer\CTSysVol.exe
E:\WINDOWS\system32\Rundll32.exe
E:\PROGRA~1\ALWILS~1\Avast4\ashDisp.exe
E:\PROGRA~1\Logitech\MOUSEW~1\SYSTEM\EM_EXEC.EXE
E:\Program Files\CyberLink\PowerDVD\PDVDServ.exe
E:\Program Files\Creative\Creative Live! Cam\VideoFX\StartFX.exe
E:\WINDOWS\V0220Mon.exe
E:\WINDOWS\system32\RUNDLL32.EXE
E:\Program Files\Logitech\Gaming Software\LWEMon.exe
E:\Program Files\Sony Ericsson\Mobile2\Application Launcher\Application Launcher.exe
E:\WINDOWS\system32\ctfmon.exe
E:\Program Files\Common Files\Ahead\Lib\NMBgMonitor.exe
E:\Program Files\Windows Live\Messenger\MsnMsgr.Exe
E:\Program Files\Common Files\Teleca Shared\CapabilityManager.exe
E:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs.exe
E:\Program Files\DAEMON Tools Lite\daemon.exe
E:\Program Files\Creative\Creative Live! Cam\Live! Cam Manager\CTLCMgr.exe
E:\Program Files\Winamp Remote\bin\OrbTray.exe
E:\Program Files\Common Files\Ahead\Lib\NMIndexStoreSvr.exe
E:\Program Files\Common Files\Ahead\Lib\NMIndexingService.exe
E:\Program Files\Common Files\Teleca Shared\Generic.exe
E:\Program Files\Sony Ericsson\Mobile2\Mobile Phone Monitor\epmworker.exe
E:\Program Files\Windows Live\Messenger\usnsvc.exe
E:\hjt\scanner.exe.exe
R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=69157
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Page_URL = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=69157
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Search_URL = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=54896
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Page = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=54896
R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=69157
R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Toolbar,LinksFolderName = Linkit
R3 - URLSearchHook: Winamp Search Class - {57BCA5FA-5DBB-45a2-B558-1755C3F6253B} - E:\Program Files\Winamp Toolbar\winamptb.dll
O2 - BHO: AcroIEHlprObj Class - {06849E9F-C8D7-4D59-B87D-784B7D6BE0B3} - E:\Program Files\Adobe\Acrobat 6.0\Reader\ActiveX\AcroIEHelper.dll
O2 - BHO: Winamp Toolbar Loader - {25CEE8EC-5730-41bc-8B58-22DDC8AB8C20} - E:\Program Files\Winamp Toolbar\winamptb.dll
O2 - BHO: SSVHelper Class - {761497BB-D6F0-462C-B6EB-D4DAF1D92D43} - E:\Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0_07\bin\ssv.dll
O2 - BHO: Windows Liven kirjautumisapuohjelma - {9030D464-4C02-4ABF-8ECC-5164760863C6} - E:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Windows Live\WindowsLiveLogin.dll
O2 - BHO: Windows Live Toolbar Helper - {BDBD1DAD-C946-4A17-ADC1-64B5B4FF55D0} - E:\Program Files\Windows Live Toolbar\msntb.dll
O3 - Toolbar: Windows Live Toolbar - {BDAD1DAD-C946-4A17-ADC1-64B5B4FF55D0} - E:\Program Files\Windows Live Toolbar\msntb.dll
O3 - Toolbar: Winamp Toolbar - {EBF2BA02-9094-4c5a-858B-BB198F3D8DE2} - E:\Program Files\Winamp Toolbar\winamptb.dll
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Gainward] E:\Program Files\VDOTool\TBPanel.exe /A
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [RTHDCPL] RTHDCPL.EXE
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [SkyTel] SkyTel.EXE
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [CTSysVol] E:\Program Files\Creative\SBAudigy\Surround Mixer\CTSysVol.exe /r
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [P17Helper] Rundll32 P17.dll,P17Helper
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [UpdReg] E:\WINDOWS\UpdReg.EXE
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [avast!] E:\PROGRA~1\ALWILS~1\Avast4\ashDisp.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [NvCplDaemon] RUNDLL32.EXE E:\WINDOWS\system32\NvCpl.dll,NvStartup
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [EM_EXEC] E:\PROGRA~1\Logitech\MOUSEW~1\SYSTEM\EM_EXEC.EXE
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [RemoteControl] "E:\Program Files\CyberLink\PowerDVD\PDVDServ.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [PPort11reminder] "E:\Program Files\ScanSoft\PaperPort\Ereg\Ereg.exe" -r "E:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\ScanSoft\PaperPort\11\Config\Ereg\Ereg.ini
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [AVFX Engine] E:\Program Files\Creative\Creative Live! Cam\VideoFX\StartFX.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [V0220Mon.exe] E:\WINDOWS\V0220Mon.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [NvMediaCenter] RUNDLL32.EXE E:\WINDOWS\system32\NvMcTray.dll,NvTaskbarInit
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [amd_dc_opt] E:\Program Files\AMD\Dual-Core Optimizer\amd_dc_opt.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Start WingMan Profiler] E:\Program Files\Logitech\Gaming Software\LWEMon.exe /noui
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Sony Ericsson PC Suite] "E:\Program Files\Sony Ericsson\Mobile2\Application Launcher\Application Launcher.exe" /startoptions
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [QuickTime Task] "E:\Program Files\QuickTime\QTTask.exe" -atboottime
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [CTFMON.EXE] E:\WINDOWS\system32\ctfmon.exe
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [BgMonitor_{79662E04-7C6C-4d9f-84C7-88D8A56B10AA}] "E:\Program Files\Common Files\Ahead\Lib\NMBgMonitor.exe"
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [MsnMsgr] "E:\Program Files\Windows Live\Messenger\MsnMsgr.Exe" /background
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [MSMSGS] "E:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs.exe" /background
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [DAEMON Tools Lite] "E:\Program Files\DAEMON Tools Lite\daemon.exe" -autorun
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [Creative Live! Cam Manager] "E:\Program Files\Creative\Creative Live! Cam\Live! Cam Manager\CTLCMgr.exe"
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [Orb] "E:\Program Files\Winamp Remote\bin\OrbTray.exe" /background
O4 - Global Startup: AutoCAD Startup Accelerator.lnk = E:\Program Files\Common Files\Autodesk Shared\acstart17.exe
O4 - Global Startup: Logitech Desktop Messenger.lnk = E:\Program Files\Logitech\Desktop Messenger\8876480\Program\LDMConf.exe
O8 - Extra context menu item: &Winamp Search - E:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Winamp Toolbar\ieToolbar\resources\en-US\local\search.html
O8 - Extra context menu item: &Windows Live Search - res://E:\Program Files\Windows Live Toolbar\msntb.dll/search.htm
O8 - Extra context menu item: Vie Microsoft E&xceliin - res://E:\PROGRA~1\MICROS~2\OFFICE11\EXCEL.EXE/3000
O9 - Extra button: (no name) - {08B0E5C0-4FCB-11CF-AAA5-00401C608501} - E:\Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0_07\bin\ssv.dll
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Sun Java Console - {08B0E5C0-4FCB-11CF-AAA5-00401C608501} - E:\Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0_07\bin\ssv.dll
O9 - Extra button: Oheistiedot - {92780B25-18CC-41C8-B9BE-3C9C571A8263} - E:\PROGRA~1\MICROS~2\OFFICE11\REFIEBAR.DLL
O9 - Extra button: (no name) - {e2e2dd38-d088-4134-82b7-f2ba38496583} - %windir%\Network Diagnostic\xpnetdiag.exe (file missing)
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: @xpsp3res.dll,-20001 - {e2e2dd38-d088-4134-82b7-f2ba38496583} - %windir%\Network Diagnostic\xpnetdiag.exe (file missing)
O9 - Extra button: Messenger - {FB5F1910-F110-11d2-BB9E-00C04F795683} - E:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs.exe
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Windows Messenger - {FB5F1910-F110-11d2-BB9E-00C04F795683} - E:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs.exe
O11 - Options group: [INTERNATIONAL] International*
O16 - DPF: {F6ACF75C-C32C-447B-9BEF-46B766368D29} (Creative Software AutoUpdate Support Package) - http://www.creative.com/softwareupdate/su2/ocx/15035/CTPID.cab
O18 - Protocol: livecall - {828030A1-22C1-4009-854F-8E305202313F} - E:\PROGRA~1\WINDOW~4\MESSEN~1\MSGRAP~1.DLL
O18 - Protocol: msnim - {828030A1-22C1-4009-854F-8E305202313F} - E:\PROGRA~1\WINDOW~4\MESSEN~1\MSGRAP~1.DLL
O18 - Protocol: skype4com - {FFC8B962-9B40-4DFF-9458-1830C7DD7F5D} - E:\PROGRA~1\COMMON~1\Skype\SKYPE4~1.DLL
O21 - SSODL: WPDShServiceObj - {AAA288BA-9A4C-45B0-95D7-94D524869DB5} - E:\WINDOWS\system32\WPDShServiceObj.dll
O23 - Service: ANIWZCSd Service (ANIWZCSdService) - Unknown owner - E:\Program Files\ANI\ANIWZCS2 Service\ANIWZCSdS.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: avast! iAVS4 Control Service (aswUpdSv) - ALWIL Software - E:\Program Files\Alwil Software\Avast4\aswUpdSv.exe
O23 - Service: Autodesk Licensing Service - Autodesk - E:\Program Files\Common Files\Autodesk Shared\Service\AdskScSrv.exe
O23 - Service: avast! Antivirus - ALWIL Software - E:\Program Files\Alwil Software\Avast4\ashServ.exe
O23 - Service: avast! Mail Scanner - Unknown owner - E:\Program Files\Alwil Software\Avast4\ashMaiSv.exe" /service (file missing)
O23 - Service: avast! Web Scanner - Unknown owner - E:\Program Files\Alwil Software\Avast4\ashWebSv.exe" /service (file missing)
O23 - Service: Creative Service for CDROM Access - Creative Technology Ltd - E:\WINDOWS\system32\CTsvcCDA.exe
O23 - Service: LightScribeService Direct Disc Labeling Service (LightScribeService) - Hewlett-Packard Company - E:\Program Files\Common Files\LightScribe\LSSrvc.exe
O23 - Service: NMIndexingService - Nero AG - E:\Program Files\Common Files\Ahead\Lib\NMIndexingService.exe
O23 - Service: NVIDIA Display Driver Service (NVSvc) - NVIDIA Corporation - E:\WINDOWS\system32\nvsvc32.exe
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Hujo
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8. syyskuuta 2008 @ 22:37 |
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vaihda mesengeriin salasana
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1.Lataa combofix.exe työpöydällesi yhdestä linkistä:
combofix1
combofix2
2. Tuplaklikkaa combofix.exe tiedostoa ja seuraa ohjeistuksia.
3. Kun työkalu on valmis, se tuottaa lokin. Lähetä tämä loki viesti ketjuusi.
Huom! Älä klikkaile combofixin ikkunaa käytön aikana. Tämä saattaa aiheuttaa ohjelman jumiutumisen.
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Lataa Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware työpöydällesi.
1. Tuplaklikkaa mbam-setup.exe ja seuraa ohjeita asentaaksesi ohjelman.
2. Lopuksi varmistu, että seuraavat on valittu: Update Malwarebytes', Anti-Malwareja
Launch Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware ja sen jälkeen klikkaaFinish.
3. Jos päivitys löytyy. ohjelma lataa ja asentaa uusimman version.
4. Kun ohjelma on latautunut, valitse Perform full scan ja klikkaa Scan.
5. Kun skanni on valmis, klikkaa OK ja sitten Show Results nähdäksesi tulokset.
6. Varmistu, että kaikki on merkitty ja klikkaa Remove Selected.
7. Tämän jälkeen loki avautuu muistioon. Tallenna se paikkaan, josta löydät sen helposti. Loki
löytyy myös täältä: C:\Documents and Settings\Käyttäjänimi\Application
Data\Malwarebytes\Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware\Logs\log-päiväys.txt
8. Lähetä lokin sisältö seuraavassa viestissäsi.
Voiko tietsikka koskaan toimia?
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